• lntl@lemmy.mlOP
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        2 days ago

        Fwiw, “the communists” is what came to my mind. They shot Mussolini and captured Berlin. Difficult to imagine any defeat without the communists.

        • Fizz@lemmy.nz
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          They sided with the fascists and were backstabbed. Its difficult to imagine the allies winning without them but at least the allies choose to fight fascism.

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            20 hours ago

            I see what you mean and I make a distinction bw the Soviets and the communists. Is that valid? I think so and ymmv

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          Yeah. “Themselves” is a dangeroously inaccurate historical take and it’s discouraging to see it get so many upvotes on Lemmy. What is that even a reference to? Hitler’s suicide? Sheesh.

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      It is the fate of them it seems, they promise things they cannot deliver. That doesn’t mean they can be ignored because the path between them starting and self defeating is disastrous.

      “Govern a large country in the same way you would cook a small fish; you must be delicate. Let the spirit of the Tao govern the land, and evil spirits will have no power. Not that the evil spirits will depart, but the effects they have on the people will be insignificant, and the effects of the Sage on the people will also not be burdensome. Since the spirits and the Sage do not cause harm, all will be in balance.”

      • Translated by Rivenrock, Chapter 60 , Tao Te Ching

      In other words, that that rule lightly and just sort of muddle along are more likely to bring about peace.