*in America, your centrists are just wearing a mask.
This is the same exact losing strategy the centrist democrats have been attempting to use for the last 20 years. They want “broad appeal” which basically means virtue signalling to bigoted republican voters who are going to mechanically vote for the person with the R next to their name no matter what any democrat says or does. And yet, they keep trying and turning their backs on the left as if to say, “we don’t need you to win”.
Until these awful people are ejected from the democratic party or the DSA gains more momentum, this bullshit is just going to keep happening.
They’re not “attempting to use it”. It’s working well for them, their goals just aren’t what you imagine they are.
And people act like I’m some kind of crazy person when I say that when you resolve to vote blue no matter who, you only incentivize the blue candidates to appeal to republicans. I just didn’t expect it to be this overt
As an outside observer it seems like every blue is better than red, the best strategy is choosing which blue before the election.
For sure, but it’s hard to overstate just how much influence the DNC has. Every blue is better than every red, but by resolving to vote blue no matter what their actual positions are, we are trading short term harm reduction for long-term harm multiplication.
Before long we’re going to have the DNC force in a candidate who wants to jail trans people, and they will be slightly preferable to the republican who wants trans people executed. I want to avoid that eventuality, and that means demonstrating that being against human rights loses you the leftist vote.
vote blue no matter who
Is a last resort
Not even the democrats believe in that bullshit
Certainly not Haley Stevens. The “I see Israel in my dreams” lady just endorsed Abdul El-Sayed’s Republican opponent still saying she is a proud Democrat without any sense of irony.
Nor does the party at large, they actively work against their own members, if the members are considered “too progressive”. They fund MAGA opponents in several races.
ITT: A whole lot of piefed, .word, and .ca accounts just go and completely mask off. They hate trans people and they want you to know it.
Yeah, never going to vote for someone who rejects the existence of my friends. I’ll vote for someone else and if there is no one to vote for I will draw a giant knob on the sheet in protest of the shit choices.
Ummm actually acknowledging reality is russian propaganda and youre only allowed to say anything mean about Democrats for about two weeks after the election. As we all know if you dont say anything negative then republicans aren’t allowed to do it either. My strategy of voting for democrats and never making any demands of them is incredibly realistic, just look at how much we’re winning and all the progressive genocide we’re doing!
Will the blue libs finally stop pestering to vote for the lesser evil?
You have about 1.5 weeks from today on where you are allowed to be midly critical of some dems - But you have to admit it’s too soon since they just got elected
Akshually, If all the genocidee had died quietly instead of moaning and crying so loudly, Democrats could’ve wrapped up the genocide quicker.
Also, the anti-genocide (aka aunty-semites since Gazans are semitic people) didn’t listen to the orders of The Party. Vote Blue No Matter Who! Which is how you got Donald Trump. Donald is Not an ally of the trans people. By extension, all anti-genocide aunties of semites automatically hate trans people.
Basically, the anti-genocide protesters are transphobic for refusing to vote blue unconditionally.
Vote Blue No Matter Who otherwise you’re a transphobe.
They are fascists they don’t just “compromise”.
“compromise” is the mask they put on before they jump on stage
Folks can we please treat “trans” like the adjective it is. I’m not a “transwoman” or a “transperson” I am a woman and a person, and I am trans, I am also tall. A trans woman, a trans person. A tall woman, a tall person.
We aren’t people, we’re transpeople, we aren’t (wo)men, we’re trans(wo)men, we aren’t our gender, we identity as our gender, and we don’t have pronouns, they’re “preferred pronouns.”
The BEST way for Democrats to Gain Power is to
Cater to People who LOVE voting Democrat!Cater to People who want to MURDER DEMOCRATS!-Literally Democrats!
Literally true when half of their voters are committed to voting for them no matter what their policies are. The actual best strategy is to move to the right. “Vote blue no matter who” was always going to lead to this
Sad thing is, it’s kind of true (or at least was). In a two party system, its not a bad strategy to try gain electors from the other party, as the ppl more radically from your side will vote for you rather than the other party. Now then, the political spectrum and Overton window shifted so much to the right that it is not sufficient to just exist and be the “lesser evil”.
Its not. In a 2-party system, the parties geneally move to equalize around a 50-50 split of the population. However, in a country where around half the eligiable voters show up, voter turnout is a much bigger lever to pull. Obama and Trump both figured that out. Alienating your base is the opposite of smart.
No. It’s literally a bad strategy. Elections are about to turn out. The best way to win elections is to get your base to come out to vote. When you literally threaten their lives and threaten the lives of people they care about they’re going to stay home.
You know why you preach to the choir? Because that’s how you get them to sing.
Their brilliant strategy is to come to a black church and arrogantly tell the choir “if you don’t vote blue no matter who, then you ain’t black!”
They’re biologically a fuckin asshole traitor
They’re not a traitor if they were never one of us to begin with. I firmly believe that MAGApublicans have plants in the Democratic Party. And have had them for decades.
I know I’m asking for flame here, but what is she saying that’s a problem? I’m not picking it up from the image.
Even tho both are AMAB, a trans woman’s biology is quite different from a cis male biology. I mean, the whole reason HRT works is because is biology. I don’t have numbers to back this up, but I think medication and surgical history are much more significant factors than gender-assigned-at-birth, those I can see the presence or absence of sex-differentiated organs (both internal and external) could be as relevant as surgical history.
Anyway “trans women are biological males” is certainly wrong, and it is mostly likely a “dog whistle” version of “gender transition is a myth”. And, while “trans women are women” might not be full of every possible nuance, as a 4-word phrase it is accurate enough for me.
A trans woman’s biology is quite different from cis men, yes, but it’s also not exactly similar to cis women either.
Even after a full transition, trans people often are in a sort of intermediate state in terms of immune, cardiovascular, and metabolic systems. They’re not exactly like their AGAB nor their new sex identity either.
There’s even organ carry over as well. Trans women are the only category of women that can still be at risk for prostate cancer, and trans men are the only category of men that can still be at risk for skenes gland cancer.
The most honest description is to say that they are in an intermediate sex.
Even more so, neuroendocrinology is not fully shifted even after transition. The HPG axis in trans women lack ovarian effects, and in trans men they lack testicular effects.
This is a good source https://www.advocate.com/politics/election/annie-andrews-south-carolina-democrat
Ok I’m honestly ignorant here and this is not an issue I have a lot of knowledge on and an asking without any mal intent.
What’s wrong with not wanting biological men playing in women’s sports? Does biological men mean something other than what it reads as? What am I missing here?
Okay, so then first off, there’s no such thing as a “biological man”. There are males and females, man/woman are gender markers and not biological. By mixing biological and gender markers, they are essentially invalidating the concept of gender entirely.
Second, the logic being used to ban trans women from women’s sports is the same logic being used to put us in men’s prisons.
Third, being born different shouldn’t mean you aren’t allowed to play sports, what this effectively means is trans women and girls are just banned from all sports. It gets really stupid when they start banning us from playing on chess teams, which has happened.
And lastly, if we assume that there’s an unfair advantage, so what? Should we ban tall people from playing basketball because they have an unfair, inborn advantage? If someone has naturally higher lung capacity, should they be banned from football? Why use sex specifically as a way to segregate the population, instead of more scientific measures of actual biological ability?
In short, there’s a lot wrong with it.
Thank you for replying, seriously I appreciate it.
I think* I understand what you are talking about regarding gender vs biological sex. I understand gender to be something in someones head, and understand sex to be a complex amalgamation of whatever physiological traits you pull out of a big bucket as you’re born and grow, also not binary.
I also think* that most people commonly conflate those two spaces, and I am guessing that probably causes a lot of challenges when talking about this issue as I bet there is a lot of talking past each other that happens, probably unintentionally and unknowingly. I’m certain that there is hateful and derogatory coded language and intentional weaponization of language happening too. I’m trying to be extra careful and cautious with my words because I am genuinely curious, and am guessing that curiosity is sometimes used as a foil for trolling or other insincere things, and am assuming you likely have your guard up for these very reasonable reasons.
I am completely ok with people being trans, and feel pretty strongly that anyone should be allowed to do with their bodies as they see fit. I don’t think anyone should be discriminated against because they are trans just as they shouldn’t for any other kind of “is”ness that they “is”.
All that said it does feel to me like there is some nuance with the sports thing though that I struggle with. We do separate the leagues we have historically referred to as mens and women’s based upon someones “bucket pull” of sexual traits, and usually (not always, not black and white, but usually) people consistently pull some consistent traits from the buckets we have historically viewed as mens and women’s traits. Those buckets usually produce some pretty significant differences in physical ability, and we even ban people from participating if they use performance enhancing drugs like testosterone even.
We could collapse all leagues and say that we weren’t going to use observed sexual dimorphism as a constraint and make everyone play in the same league, but that seems like it would be pretty shitty to do to people who are pulling from the bucket of traits we have historically referred to as womens. At the same time, if someone who would otherwise be playing in that league have been discovered to have been taking testosterone they wouldn’t be allowed to play, and prior to starting medication I aren’t (completely assuming, I am ignorant here so correct me if I am wrong) trans women getting higher than “fair for the women league” doses of testosterone?
I’m not entirely blind to how this would feel super shitty for trans women either, and I know a little something personally about how much it sucks to just draw some cards that say “you don’t get to play”. I was born with some non trivial physical deformities, and could never play sports… except of course for chess (which you mentioned and I am 100% on board with that’s dumb anyone should be able to compete in the men’s league imho).
We could break sports leagues into “unrestricted use all the drugs you want”. “people who have had testosterone over a certain level”, and “people who have had testosterone under that level” instead of what we have today maybe, but that seems really impractical and I doubt it could even be as simple as just testosterone.
It feels like it just isn’t a space where accuracy is possible without grossly invading peoples privacy and overcomplicating the process to the point of harm… And broad brush strokes always leave some people on the edge in a way that is just unfair, but not necessarily the wrong way to do it.
I don’t know what the answer is for sure, but this is kinda where my headspace is at. Certainly open to hearing other peoples opinions here and not trying to insult or hate on anyone.
Unfortunately, the sports that are popular right now are very unfair. Some people are just born better suited for certain sports than others, and some can’t play at all. This is not a great situation to start with, even before we consider sex (as you point out, physical disability basically just means some people don’t ever get to play). Unless we’re willing to totally change sports (which probably won’t happen) I think we just have to let the leagues figure it out themselves, and lawmakers can butt out.
By introducing legislation, it opens up all sorts of problems that entrench sex segregation into the law. This is a serious problem, when the current legal environment also means trans women are being sent to mens’ prisons. That’s genocidal.
So, no politicians. They have more important things to worry about anyway.
I’m sure some leagues will decide to keep sex segregation, and other leagues will determine other characteristics to determine how to separate teams (perhaps by hormone levels in the blood, perhaps by height and “wing span”, perhaps by weight, it all depends on the game). Still other leagues will just have mixed games, like chess obviously should already have.
But politicians need to stay out of it. It’s just a way to salami slice our rights away.
Transpeople are all biological males? The trans men will be pleased to hear it.
Its only chicks with dicks that scare the right. I don’t think they know about F2M trans men.
They know about trans men, but they view them all as easily manipulated, wayward girls, who’s fertility is being stolen by the evil trans agenda.
Just look at the cover of Abigail Shrier’s Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters. It’s the most mask off libidinal shit you’ve ever seen
The fact that it’s a “Craze”, that it “Seduces” and that the cover has a Norman Rockwell style image of a little girl with a gaping hole where her ostensible womb ought to be. Sigmund Freud would have a field day with this trash!!
And the transgender seducers are transwomen, or implied to be.
They do, and want to fix them to turn them back into women. That’s how the right talks about them.
“fix” is a weird way to say “rape”.
- FInd a Democrat who hates trans people.
- Turn that into The Democrats are trans-hating fascists!!
- Airtight rationale for not voting!
Well alrighty then.
Yeah its just this one candidate. And AOC. And Gavin Newsom. And Kamala. And a bunch others. Not to mention Democratic Party members consistently work alongside MAGA
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/09/aipac-republican-donors-democratic-primaries-00162404
https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-skewered-republicans-funding-these-maga-losers-1758128
https://www.ms.now/news/angie-nixon-florida-senate-schumer
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/09/aipac-republican-donors-democratic-primaries-00162404AOC anti trans? On what planet?
When this bitch lose the first voting block theyll throw under the bus is transfolk.
I used to get so angry that minorities would vote against their interest in dems, but then I started to work towards becoming a better ally and realized how infuriating it must be for these privileged fucking centrists constantly vote against minority group interests and then beg minorities to show up when Trump started negatively impacting everyone’s way of life. When will the lesson be learned that we all do better when we all support one another?
Trans people ain’t abstaining on Tuesday, it’ll be the cis people who are willing to let us all die so they can feel like the purest ally.
There’s going to be a lot of people that don’t vote for various reasons, and while I want them all to vote, I understand that the opposition isn’t doing enough to make encourage people to vote.
I believe in free will. People are responsible for their own actions. Joe Biden is a shithead, but he doesn’t have a mind control beam to force people to stay home.
That’s why I believe trans people will vote in greater proportion than cis people.
Ever stop to think that maybe she’s not a Democrat but running as one? Do you seriously think MAGA and the republicans are above planting their own amongst us??
Divisionism is what wins them elections. And divisionism is what is preached here every fucking day. That’s what I’m fucking tired of.
Well if she’s a republican plant then what’s the problem with not voting for her?
There’s not even a little problem with not voting for her. The point is that people are holding her beliefs against the entire party like idiots.
I am a little frustrated, because I’ve been saying for like 3 years. If they didn’t stop at genocide than they’ll be nothing they won’t compromise on. Back in 2023 I was arguing with other trans people saying that the liberals weren’t on their side and they would throw them under the bus the moment it became politically acceptable to do so. Being dependent on a liberal party is more like being held hostage instead of gaining actual power.
Constantly chastising people that they have to support liberal politics anyway, even if they’re doing imperialism (which isn’t at all new), just normalizes that those horrible things will always happen and cannot be changed, they’re just politically acceptable. Like it actually makes me feel like I’m going insane that genocide has become a normal, acceptable position, that we’ve realized after Palestine that most of the entire establishment are a bunch of Holden Bloodfeasts and things just keep going. Like, no, we’re frogs in a pot of water being boiled. Imperialism isn’t normal or okay.
the liberals weren’t on their side and they would throw them under the bus the moment it became politically acceptable to do so
So you decided to ally with Trump instead?
US elections are a zero sum game with two sides and only two sides
That means all anti-dem propaganda in the election is pro-rep propaganda
If you’re saying to support socialists like Abdul in the primaries, I agree with you. But you’re not saying that. You’re saying not to trust Dems to be any better than Reps. That’s Rep propaganda. The rules of the game say you’re accidentally helping Trump.
There will never be a third party, the maths on FPTP don’t support it. And you’re not campaigning for voter reply reform. You’re campaigning for people to abstain and let Trump have two more years of supermajority.
You’ve already had a chance to educate yourself on the maths of FPTP. Whether your bad faith is moral or intellectual doesn’t matter, you’re a fascist collaborator and you’re attacking our rights as trans people. I have family in America and I don’t want them to die, so be quiet.
This is liberal yaKKKubian tricknology make people believe that advocating for dual power is a bad thing. I’m not impressed that you’re quite literally trying to emotionally manipulate people into thinking that if you don’t support the Dems they’re murderers or some shit. That only makes sense if you collapse of all reality into two outcomes “democrats win” and “republicans win.” That’s like absolutely defeatist, believing the only options that exist are government approved ones. that kind of attitude will let horrors go on forever without ever being challenged, I would genuinely rather die than just lie down and accept that. I support worker power so that both parties can’t oppress us and we can stop them from terrorizing the rest of the world.
Shut up about your votes, I know you’re being manipulative. You say that they’re the lesser evil, but I guarantee you actually like liberals and just want people to stop talking about how they also kill people.
I AM trans, and no government has never actually supported me, I seriously doubt the effectiveness of the legal system in helping us, I got my medication from mutual aid, and other trans people are how I survive, the liberal party where I live has done none of this, the government’s medical care is basically our enemy, I’ve been underdosed for years by my endocrinologist. You shut the fuck up about trans people. I disapprove of using our name to support genocidal liberals.
You are the fascist collaborator. Fuck the democrats, and fuck AmeriKKKa. I have friends in Iran and Lebanon and I don’t want them to die. I’ve never seen Americans get shredded to pieces by bombs and displaced by the millions, all of you fucking Westerners will be fine by comparison even if the Republicans win again, you’ll do fine. Maybe you people deserve to see just a fraction of what that’s like after supporting it.
Mutual aid is great! But we’re talking about an election in two days. If you write the name of the mutual aid group on your ballot, you’ve abstained.
People with the vision and strategy to do the right thing at the right time do mutual aid. People like us distribute hormones. People like you just complain on the internet. I’m glad that we strategists got you those hormones, but it doesn’t make you a warrior. It just makes you alive.
So if you’re not going to attend a protest or paint a crosswalk or run in a primary or get an over prescription, please be quiet and let the strategists work. We don’t need you making our work harder. It’s not gonna be as easy to distribute hormones if Trump declares martial law, and that’s what you’ve been helping.
The strategists decided that the best course of action is to tell anti-genocide protesters to stfu about genocide and vote blue no matter who. As well as yelling at genocidee to stfu and get genocided quietly.
Brilliant strategy. Did you guys try “Orange Man Bad” or telling voters “If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.” Or not yet?
You’re not an anti-genocide protester, you’re a lying whinger. In order to be a protester, you have to actually get out of your bed and go to a protest. This isn’t a protest, it’s a whinge. And it may well be a successful whinge in its goal of getting people to stay home so Trump can run for a third term and you can have that trans genocide you’re desperate for.
So of course I’m getting to tell you to STFU, you genocide supporter. Every minute you’re arguing with Me in the bowels of this comment section is a minute you’re not talking to potential voters. You’re never going to stop trying to kill trans people, but at least you can be trying to talk Me into killing My family instead of someone who might listen to your lies.
Right. We’re all supposed to ignore the actual genocide carried out under the supervision and support of the Democrats and pretend anyone not willing to blindly support the genocide enabling democratic party is “desperate for trans genocide” lol.
Do you know if Democrats regret stealing the presidency from Bernie Sanders?
Oh for fucks sake. She is running in South Carolina, what the fuck do you want her to do?
I don’t know, maybe have an ounce of solidarity and don’t engage with transphobia. It’s that simple. Even saying you don’t think its a relevant issue to the campaign is better.
If the moral obligation isn’t enough motivation, maybe the studies that recently came out showing tranphobic attacks weren’t even helping Republicans are. It’s not just awful, but also a losing strategy.
Republicans lie all the time to win. If she needs to lie then that’s ok. We can judge her by her voting record after she wins and primary someone better in the next election.
This sort of cynical idea that nobody has any principles or believes in anything is a cancer on society, and politicians lying about their positions makes it worse.
That’s just a lunatic way to go about voting in a democracy. Just vote for them and hope they’re lying when they campaign?
The alternative is to vote for Trump (or by not voting you are voting for Trump). So you still loose trans rights AND EVERY OTHER RIGHT.
It’s not the primaries.
When Trump was running he talked about how he was a big supporter of Gays and Latinos and he won because people are stupid.
Here you have a Democrat doing the same thing to win and you are attacking her.
No, the winning strategy is to run on popular positions that help people, and make their lives better, and deliver on them. But Dems are too busy supporting Trump and the Republicans, while screwing over their voters to care about that.
popular positions
Is it a popular position in that district?
So is ending foreign wars, taxing the rich, changing the economy to benefit the working class, affordable healthcare, and afforable housing. But I don’t see the dems doing that.
Left isn’t about to win culture wars against religious fanatics.
Those with hate towards Trans people, Hindus, Muslims, Latinos or whichever group they dislike are not going to change because of what anyone from out-group says to them.
Only thing Left can successfully do is not let them pull you into mud wrestling whenever they feel like it. Focus on working class. Trans folks suffer from a high cost of living just the same.
You keep saying left. Who are you talking about?
“I believe America is great when it protects everyone’s rights. I don’t believe that the government should be in the room meddling when parents make the best choices for their children, and doctors do what’s right for their patients.”
That’s what i want to hear. I want to see Democrats stand for something, and refuse to accept Republicans’ framing of issues.
So, by default, you are saying it’s okay to let trump continue his reign of terror unchecked.
Because that is what your hissy fit is going to cause.
That is such an utterly deranged take.
No, it is the logical outcome of all the people attacking Andrews in this thread.
You may hate Andrews, but trump is a mass murdering, bribe taking, monster. Your actions have consequences, stop pretending they don’t.
…trump is a mass murdering, bribe taking, monster.
Oh, you mean like the Democrats? Especially the ones that are willing to sacrifice trans rights?
I don’t know what you read, but it wasn’t my comment.
No compromise on Trans rights.
No compromise on genocide, either.
Its semantics but please elaborate on what you like done. Just so I know what we are talking about.
Trans rights is clear to me. Trans people are afforded the same rights as everyone else and cant be discriminated against base on their gender identification.
Are we saying, no funding for any country that participates is genocide? No trade?
What if we just said america shouldnt make weapons of war? Do you even know who the neo-libs were?
No weapons of war, no support for any country that commits genocide. The U.S won’t ever do that because it’s an imperialist country, so their government should be hindered in their foreign policy at every opportunity.
Ok, but america isnt the only country to participate in imperialism. How do we protect our sovereignty from hostile imperialist countries?
What’s important part is that we give these few assholes all the attention right before voting day.
