“We’re seeing a war against trans individuals being waged by our federal government, and we, as citizens, need to be willing to step up and say this is not OK,” Kluwe said. “The Democratic Party has taken a very defensive posture on trans issues when that’s the absolute wrong thing to do. You don’t make a bully go away by cowering in the corner and say, I’ll agree with you on these little things. That just encourages the bully.

“We need to be full-throated in the attack, saying these are people who pay taxes, who serve in our military, and who are entitled to the exact same rights that every single other American is entitled to, which includes health care and the opportunity to live a prosperous life. We can’t be afraid of the right-wing fear machine. We have to take it to them, show that we’re willing to fight.”

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    A football handegg player turned politician whose brain seemingly HASN’T turned to mush from too many concussions?

    About time! ✊🏼

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    The government should not be allowed to “own” property or enforce victimless laws. The problem is always the government.

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    Saying Democrats need to fight for trans people is like saying Republicans need to fight for trans people.

    It’s true, but why bother with conservative parties? Better to put your effort with a progressive party.

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    On the flip side, the trans community needs to do better about recognizing who their friends are and who their real enemies are. Just because a politician disagrees with you on 2% of trans issues, doesn’t mean they should be compared to Hitler and bashed by the community. This is what is chasing many politicians away. Better to not talk about trans issues at all for these politicians.

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      There is plenty of nuance in the “trans community”, with positions on transphobic dems that run the gamunt from I’ll hold my nose and vote for them to since they obviously decided they don’t need my vote I’ll not vote for them.

      I can appreciate that if you don’t know anything about trans people or how the hateful right wing works you might think that there’s some concern about social-only trans women stealing scholarships from cis women due to some inherent hormonal advantage. But this simply does not happen..

      It’s a hateful dog-whistle sounded by a group who wants to first ban all trans girls from any sport regardless of age or hormone, and then shut down all girls sports when no parent is willing to subject their daughter to an invasive exam.

      And while I don’t mean to suggest that all such Dems are strong transphobes, if they’re not willing to fight when someone is under attack I don’t think they’re fit for the job anyway.

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        But this simply does not happen..

        If this is the case, then why fight so hard against Dems that suggest feel differently, either legitimately, or to win a seat?

        Honestly, I agree that there’s tons of nuance to the conversation, and neither side makes it about nuance. Which makes it hard to know what either side even wants.

        if they’re not willing to fight when someone is under attack I don’t think they’re fit for the job anyway.

        My point is that I’ve heard democrats say things that seem reasonable, and saw the trans community rail against them. They might have fought for trans people in other ways, but now there’s no point.

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          I’ve heard democrats say things that seem reasonable, and saw the trans community rail against them

          Citation needed.

          They might have fought for trans people in other ways

          Citation needed

          but now there’s no point.

          No citation needed, because obviously claiming that there’s no point fighting for the rights of people who exercise their right to dissent and express grievances is fucking batshit crazy! 🤦🏻

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          If this is the case, then why fight so hard against Dems that suggest feel differently, either legitimately, or to win a seat?

          Because bigotry and hate always get dressed up in ways that feel reasonable. Pick any hateful position of the last hundred years, and we can find both the gentleel start and the naked abuse at its end.

          My point is that I’ve heard democrats say things that seem reasonable, and saw the trans community rail against them.

          Like what?

          The most recent Dem to make a transphobic splash is Josh Turek, nomineee for Senator from Iowa. I’ll grab a paragraph and highlight the offensive part, just in case you don’t see it.

          https://www.advocate.com/politics/national/iowa-josh-turek-transgender-ad

          As a kid in a wheelchair, I faced my share of bullying. That’s why I believe that no Iowan should face discrimination. As a Paralympian, I also know it’s important to have rules. It’s why I oppose males competing in female sports, something that is already illegal in Iowa. I’m against taxpayers paying for sex changes too. Anyone tells you any different is lying.”

          Turek made a splash just before this with a clip that talked about Christian love for trans folk. And then he went on to misgender every trans femm athlete, diminish every cis femm athlete, and promise to deny all trans-gender affirming care for any government employee, senior citizen, disabled person, or person living in poverty.

          I’ll presume that you don’t think this is “reasonable.”. But way too often people who express mildly transphobic views like “I don’t want social-only trans girls playing sports!” have equally odious prejudice that they’re just hiding.

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            Because bigotry and hate always get dressed up in ways that feel reasonable. Pick any hateful position of the last hundred years, and we can find both the gentleel start and the naked abuse at its end.

            You might be right while also being wrong that some of these issues are about bigotry and hate.

            The most recent Dem to make a transphobic splash is Josh Turek, nomineee for Senator from Iowa.

            I would not have used his quote as something that was reasonable. Calling a trans woman a male is an easy way to show you’re a piece of shit.

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              Is there a practical difference between the Nazi who cheers as you’re put into a death train and the liberal who stands there with a frown?

              Or, to have a more reasonable discussion, can you point to who you think expressed a reasonable position trans voters are unreasonably upset at?

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                I guess because some democrats think trans women shouldn’t play women sports, they’re basically the same as Hitler. lol.

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                  No, they’re the Germans who stood by and did nothing.

                  And while most transphobic bigots are less terrible than Hitler,.I’m not sure how bad the prejudice had to be before we’re allowed to care.

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      translation: you want us to disappear from the public while your buddies vote to have us put in concentration camps to be exterminated.

      thanks but no thanks.

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    Less emphasis needs to be put into helping the like 2% of people, and much more on the general 80%+ percent of people who would be better off with lungs like lower taxes, government security over reach, corrupt politicians, taxing billionaires, getting so much money out of politics, better pay and benefits, and social healthcare, etc.

    Trans rights effect a small amount of people and way too much prioritization is being thrown at it. It’s pretty much just a distraction so none of the bigger issues get taken care of.

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      Since you’re potentially German (or even if you’re not) there’s a pretty famous poem about disregarding attacks on minority populations. You may have heard of it.

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      Less emphasis needs to be put into helping the like 2% of people,

      Nobody’s asking for that, it’s about making sure that 100% of Americans are treated equally by the law

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        Talking about it and getting laws passed and making that happen is “asking for that”. All those things take time, resources, and advertising. There’s a dozen other major issues that effect many more people, including the trans people themselves. You really think the Republicans in government actually care about what bathroom you use? It’s just a distraction from things that are really important to them.

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          Republicans are the ones bringing Trans rights to the forefront by consistently attacking them. They are the ones spending on ads talking about the “trans agenda” and making wild claims like schools forcibly transitioning kids. The Trans-in-sports issue affects only a fraction of the already tiny Trans community, but the conservatives love focusing on it because, just like with the bathroom bills, they can frame it as though it’s about men trying to “take advantage” by pretending they are women - and because more people can see themselves trying to cheat at something or trick others to get what they want than can imagine feeling out of place in their own bodies, it works. So while I agree that it doesn’t need to be the Democrats focus (and it isn’t), they do need to counter the torrent of bullshit spewing from the right.