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AOC is my second favorite serving politician after Bernie, she would be a great President.
But I’m afraid that the Democratic leadership will squash her, as they did to Bernie. She’s pro worker, and the Ds abandoned labor long ago (and they were paid well to do so).
If she runs, I am voting for her, whether it’s with Democrats or DSA or Green.
DNC want to keep her away from Schumer’s senate seat.
Schumer is 76. He should retire. This is ridiculous, go out and enjoy your life. Advocate for AIPAC. Do something else.
What school of propaganda are you representing?
What part of your colon are you looking thru to see my comment as pro schumer?
Are you posting from tel aviv?
I assumed I was agreeing with you.
I’d sure rather vote for her than Harris or Newsom and realistically, idk who else is gonna run.
Ain’t happening. The US is too racist and sexist
I don’t think she has a chance in the general if I’m honest. She won’t even make it to nomination. However it would help with the Overton window if she ran. We need someone in the race with no gray hairs who will speak truth plainly. It’s amazing how long it’s been since we even saw that happen.
Why not? Her policies reflect the will of the voters much more than the other mainstream candidates. Is this another one of those, “only a centrist can possibly win!” type arguments? Because every time we say that the centrist loses. If we skip the BS what you are saying is that only a pro israel candidate can possibly win, right?
The last Democratic president was a centrist who won the primary over a very well respected and credible, experienced, white male who was simply further to the left.
We can argue about it more, but I think you are just overestimating the “will of the voters.” I campaigned for Bernie in the primaries and then watched the boomers around me nominate Biden. I no longer have any illusions about the rest of the voters, but you apparently do.
Biden won because he had the scent of Obama on him. And no other reason. So I think you have come to completely wrong conclusions.
So people vote against all their own interests because of the scent of Obama? That’s nonsense, but even if it were true it would only support my point that voters don’t care about what you think they care about. The DNC sucks balls to be sure but the electorate truly can’t be underestimated.
Agree but she needs to do something national for sure. She’s able to pull an audience on your all over the country, she needs to be elevated beyond congress. I really hope we can start moving away from personality politics. Let the big personalities get people excited and let the good hearted boring folks do the work. Maybe I’m wrong it’s just that personality voids attract sociopaths. Not saying AOC is one but if we’ve learning anything we need big benches from the local on up not single person leadership. Also I am inherently becoming distrustful of anyone who gains internet fame or looks good on TV and I suspect many other ppl are too
Certainly true of Newsom and the other options advanced by the DNC.
I’m gotta get downvoted and cause a stir with this. Here goes anyway for the all of 5 people it might reach.
I would love. FUCKING LOVE for a candidate like AOC to get elected president of the United States. Love it.
HOWEVER.
Until there is enough power transferred in the senate and the house to candidates that would remove the current structure of how we elect the executive office; they are not electable.
See, you read that sentence thinking what I said was an opinion and pessimism. It was not. It was based in the statistics of how Americans vote and how strong the votes in various states are in a first past the post electoral system that uses an electoral college.
As it stands, and Nate Silver backs this math as well, the electoral college requires a moderate democratic candidate to overcome a 3.7 point disadvantage. That might sound small. It isn’t small. It’s the margin of victory in many races so, you effectively need to more than double the current margin of victory for a candidate, and so it when further left candidates have a harder time than that.
Jeff Jackson could make a run for office in 2028-2032 and be a candidate that historically could get elected. Statistically.
AOC is just not electable in the current structure of the electoral college and state first past the post voting that still persists in most states.
You run the virtue candidate and lose the election.
The same was true of Harris in 2024. Not because we don’t deserve a black woman president or that she couldn’t do the job.
She wasn’t fucking electable in this racist, sexiest voting base.
I get we want better candidates, but you can go too far and effectively give the election to the fascist asshole, and frankly the country can’t have that happen again post Trump. It will be the end of democracy as we know it if It does.
I know that isn’t what folks want to hear but the math is the math.
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Here we go again. Dems willing to lose everything to try to become the party to get a woman in the White House first. I’ve heard this story twice now, can they just stop until America is ready for it? AOC is great, but she’s way, way more useful as a senator right now than she would be as a president. We all the strong leftist senators we can get.
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Clinton won the popular vote
IMO this will hand the election to the GOP again. The democrats need to stop pushing unpopular women into the oval office. They want to get their landmark “first woman president” victory and it’s blinding them from actually winning the election.
I agree. I like AOC but she’s not gonna get the needed votes. I think realistically need a man.
You need a man to smack you upside your head for overt sexism.
Can you explain what you mean?
Honestly we need her in the Senate for at least two terms before she’s president, once she’s served her terms as president she’ll be stuck as powerless as Obama probably feels rn, let’s milk having someone like her for as long as possible, and that starts with her taking that feckless shit head Schumer’s Senate seat.
Fuck everything about this; strike while the iron is hot or be ruled by pedofascists forever. You won’t get another chance. You do not realize the danger we are all in.
She can serve in congress after her presidential terms, no?
Obama is only “powerless” because he has chosen to be.
Taft became the Chief Justice of The US Supreme Court after leaving the office of president.
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Obama could totally run for Senate at any point. Presidents have done it before
He could probably win a seat on Tuesday if they announced it today lol
I get what you’re saying but she’ll do much more good as President than sitting in Congress.
Trump showed just how much power the office has, for someone willing to wield it.
Yes! This!
Nah. Retiring after a presidency is a tradition, not a law. Hit them while you have momentum from midterms (hopefully).
Then if she still wants anything to do with this trash fire she can just go back to being senator.
It’s probably a tradition for a good reason. I suspect that 8 years of being president is exhausting and leaves even the best of us spent physically, mentally and emotionally (current golfer in chief being a notable exception)
Obama is still young enough that after a long break now he could do another Senate term or a relatively brief federal judge shipfor 5to7 years comfortably.
It’s a symbolic run to shift the Overton window in the right direction and to take some of the lightning off some more moderate candidate, who will look less radical next to her.
It’s so ridiculous saying moderate candidate would look less radical next to her, there is nothing radical about AOC, Bernie, El-Sayid, Mamdani, yet here you are carrying the enemy’s water and showing how biased they made you by describing them as radical, when you don’t have to at all.
I get what your saying is meaning the voters, but my point is how is making sure people have healthcare, quality education, clean air & water, radical? The rich have done such a masterful job brainwashing the shit out of our society over the centuries of disinformation and religious indoctrination.
Dude please give it a rest. We’re talking about how candidates are perceived in the general election. You know this is full of distortions, double standards, lies, and many dated associations.
Giving me shit for calling clean air radical only shows you don’t know how to have a meta conversation about political discourse itself and are on a hair-trigger to give speeches at any provocation.
poor aoc, great leadership qualities but when she had a chance to ditch the dsa she doubled down on the commie cesspit
maybe by the time she does run the mamdani feedback loop will have turfed out the commie mystics
Red Star, whose member Megan Romer is one of DSA’s two national cochairs, has expressed “serious doubts” about throwing its weight behind her, citing a lack of “political and practical alignment with DSA.” Marxist Unity Group and Springs of Revolution have questioned moves toward an early endorsement and stressed the importance of holding socialist elected officials accountable. Liberation, a much smaller Maoist caucus, has rejected the idea of making her the standard-bearer of the socialist movement.
Well, those people are fucking idiots…
Luckily no organization is going to be able to just name a candidate.
Whoever it eventually is, will have to win a full 50 state primary. And even if the DSA is outspokenly against her (or any other progressive) it just won’t fucking matter.
Progressive policy is what’s popular and what voters are eager to flock to. Not fucking Maoism.
No one wants Maoism, and the people ignorant enough to think they do, shouldn’t be listened to under any circumstances, they don’t even know what terms they’re using mean, or even worse they do and actually want Maoism…
Holding that “political power grows out of the barrel of a gun”,[38] Maoism emphasises the “revolutionary struggle of the vast majority of people against the exploiting classes and their state structures”, which Mao termed a people’s war. Mobilising large parts of rural populations to revolt against established institutions by engaging in guerrilla warfare, Maoist Thought focuses on “surrounding the cities from the countryside”.
Maoism views the industrial-rural divide as a major division exploited by capitalism, identifying capitalism as involving industrial urban developed First World societies ruling over rural developing Third World societies.[39] Maoism identifies peasant insurgencies in particular national contexts as part of a context of world revolution, in which Maoism views the global countryside as overwhelming the global cities.[40] Due to this imperialism by the capitalist urban First World toward the rural Third World, Maoism has endorsed national liberation movements in the Third World.[40]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maoism#Components
It would literally be a bunch of MAGA storming cities and killing anyone that has an education, Jan 6th on a national scale, with plenty of public executions, just like under Mao.
The fuck is the DSA doing letting self identified Maoists into their tent?
Tankies always roll over their feet
What’s crazy is there’s 31 different flavors of communism that doesn’t require unquestioning loyalty to a supreme leader, and tankies can all just easily choose to support any of them.
Keep every last good thing they claim to support, and just ditch the roving gangs of murderers and literal tanks crushing anyone that doesn’t 100% agree with them…
But they won’t, because the lust for violence is why they’re tankies in the first place, instead of any of the rational flavors of communism. They’re not tankies for the communism, it’s just a path to acceptable violence against an out group
Holy fuck go back to Reddit
Am I awful for suggesting El sayed with AOC as vice instead?
There are too many misogynistic shitbags and the race is too important.
I want AOC to be our first female president, but 2028 seems like a bad time to risk it. 😕
Woulda preferred she ran in 2024 instead of Kamala.
She’s got my vote either way. Just, shit ain’t stable, and plenty of the folks that don’t support Donald Trump will never vote for a woman president.
Sigh.
You think a muslim president is easier?
She is 37 and the youngest president was Kennedy at 43. Median age of elected presidents is 55. I would say give her a few more years.
shes the most popular candidate out there right now. she should run. the reason she will never win though, is because corporate america won’t let her.
From today’s NYT.
Some polls didn’t include all candidates
What a ridiculous methodology. There’s literally no reason to treat the results of this poll as even remotely truthful.
Post the poll that puts AOC leading.
sure, but make sure it includes all candidates please.
Post the link to the poll
It’s perfectly acceptable to just admit that the image you shared didn’t support your argument. This childish “prove me wrong” shit just makes you look like a troll.
let’s split the sane people’s votes so trump can win again. excellent plan!
Do you make the same claim when the DNC runs center right candidates year after year despite a large portion of Democrats constantly begging for more progressive candidates?
i make the same claim any time there is an existential threat to civilization and someone runs for office and appeals to many people who’d otherwise vote for the existing candidate who is against the existential threat.
divide and conquer is a thing you know.
Yeah… Might not the onus of responsibility be upon those who continue to vote for people advocating for the existential threat over the person who is wanting to solve it?
Especially since the demand of the people willing to vote for the existential threat is to pick a candidate from the ilk of politicians who have been ignoring or collaborating with the existential threat support group this whole time?
Sure, theoretically, but when you have a population where 35-40% want to watch the world burn or are too stupid to know the difference between that and “freedom”, versus 60% of the population who want to see things improve, Are you really okay with that 60% splitting 30/30, leaving the other 35 to 40% winning the day?
let’s be real. we aren’t going to magically convince that 30 to 35 percent the error of their ways.
Thus, if we take what it looks like you’re saying is the moral high ground, we by default let mendacity, racism, and cruelty win.
Sure, theoretically, but when you have a population where 35-40% want to watch the world burn or are too stupid to know the difference between that and “freedom”, versus 60% of the population who want to see things improve, Are you really okay with that 60% splitting 30/30, leaving the other 35 to 40% winning the day?
Yeah… So which 30% are you blaming on losing? Each one is making a choice, why are you only blaming the left instead of the centrist who are going to do half the stupid shit the 35-40% were planning to anyways?
I’m not blaming nyone. I’m pointing out the folly of splitting the vote in this particular electoral system. if one must go point a finger, then it would be anyone who does not like their party’s choice and decides to run themselves as independents. they basically increase thr likelyhiod their party will lose if they actually convince people to vote for them.
I’m not blaming nyone
I mean based on the context of your first statement I find that hard to believe.
if one must go point a finger, then it would be anyone who does not like their party’s choice and decides to run themselves as independents.
Which is not what anyone on this thread was discussing?
This is in the primary, no vote splitting involved
oh,well that is different. Go AOC!
DSA is going to be too busy purity testing and infighting to support her publicly.
DSA is run by amateurs who don’t know how to handle the media. While I agree with some of their positions, it’s too embarrassing to be represented by them.
They are normal humans and fellow American citizens. If that’s what you mean by ameuture…
I would much rather vote for normal humans right now than rich pedophile baby eaters…
explain the baby eater part, i missed that
There’s allegations in the Epstein files that some of our elites have eaten babies.
That’s also an old QAnon conspiracy and why Comet Ping Pong got shot up a decade ago. Please exercise skepticism and don’t commit any terror attacks.
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